Lovell Family 2

As the Enumerators didn't have to record Gypsies in the 1841, there is no real way of knowing the numbers of Gypsies in Wales prior to 1851, apart of course from baptismal entries found in Parish records and other records etc.

1851 has the family of Major Lovell son of old Slack Lovell, b Gloucestershire ?However I found his baptism as follows :-

MAJOR LOVEL Christening:11 JAN 1821 Shenstone, Stafford,  Parents: Father: WILLIAM LOVEL (Slack ?) Mother: SARAH

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1851*Town: Carmarthen County: Carmarthenshire : Wales

Major Lavell 30 B Glos Cutler

Hanna Lavell 27 b Birmingham Staffordshire

William Lavell 2 b Carmarthen Carmarthenshire

John Lavell 2 Mo b Carmarthen Carmarthenshire

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There were several Lovells born Somerset and Gloucestershire ,however none appeared to be Gypsies so was Major the first to go into Wales? The total figure for all variations of the Lovell spellings was only 100 in 1851 and a 150 in 1861.

The 1861Census for Wales finds Slack's other son Thomas :-

1861*Bray, Carmarthenshire

Thomas Lovel 40 hd Widow b Bromyard, Herefordshire/Grinder

 Charlot Lovel 18 daughetr b Newport, Monmouthshire

 Winsor Lovel 10 son b Bray, Carmarthenshire

 Lignumwhity Lovel 9 daughter b Newton, Glamorgan

There is a Arclus age 14( could be Majors son Arty? staying with a Smith family)

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1861*Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

Benjamin Smith 30 hd Basket maker b Gloucestershire

Anne Smith 27 wife b St Brides, Glamorgan

Elizabeth Smith 12 dau b Abergavenny, Monmouthshire

William Smith 10 son b Llanelly, Breconshire

Joseph Smith 8 son b Dudley, Staffordshire

Edward Smith 4 son b Newbridge Glamorgan

Elvira Smith 2 dau b Roath Glamorgan

Hariett Lovell 55 lodger b Leicestershire England

Arclus Lovell 14 lodger b Dudley Staffs

John Lovell 10 lodger b Dudley Staffs

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1851*Llantrithyd, Glamorgan

Daniel Lovel abt 1801 Hollin Glamorgan Head Tin/Man/basket/maker

 Louisa Lovel abt 1811 Hollin, Glamorgan, Wife

 Isreal Lovel abt 1831 Hollin, Glamorgan, Son

 Urrenia Lovel abt 1833 Hollin Glamorgan daughter

 Powell Lovel abt 1834 Hollin Glamorgan Son

 Raily Lovel abt 1836 Hollin Glamorgan Son

 Peoda Lovel abt 1839 Hollin Glamorgan Son

 Alfred Lovel abt 1841 Hollin Glamorgan Son

 John Lovel abt 1846 Hollin Glamorgan Son  

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1861* Northfield, Worcestershire

Spencer Lovll abt 1831 Stourbridge Head

 Abbeslia Lovll abt 1836 Northhorngton Wife

 Sinderla Lovll abt 1849 Monmouth Daughter

 Alfred Lovll abt 1851 Worcestershire Son

 Boiler Lovll abt 1857 Rowley Regis Daughter

 Froser Lovll abt 1859 Halesowen Daughter

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1861*Gelligaer, Glamorgan

Elen Davies abt 1796 Adestone, Staffordshire Wife

 William Davies abt 1831 Odgesty, Shropshire Head

 Anne Davies b 1840 Kidermonster Worcs/Eng/ Daughter

 Cleraney Davies b 1842 Pendomer, Glamorgan Daughter

 Caroline Davies abt 1845 Pendomer Glamorgan Daughter

Eaban Lovelabt 1854 St Woollos Monmouthshire Boarder

Henry Stokes abt 1842Yatesbury Wiltshire Boarder

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John Stokes hd 48 wid/ Basket maker b Occan, Wiltshire

 John Stokes abt 1847 Occan, Wiltshire, England Son

 James Stokes 1849 Evercreech, Somerset Son

 William Stokes b 1852 Lantarnam, Monmouthshire Son

 Lenmenty Stokes abt 1855 Ledbrook, Glous Daughter

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 William Davies abt 1831 Odgesty, Shropshire Hd Tin/Man

Elen Davies abt 1796 Adestone, Staffordshire Wife

 Anne Davies abt 1840 Kiderminster, Worcs Daughter

 Cleraney Davies abt 1842 PendomerGlamorganDau

 Caroline Davies abt 1845 PendomerGlamorgan Daughter

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1861*Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

Benjamin Smith abt 1831 Glost Head / Basket Maker

 Edward Smith abt 1857 Newbridge Glam, Wales Son

 Elizabeth Smith abt 1849 Abergavenny Monmouthshire

 Elvira Smith abt 1859 Roath, Glam Wales Daughter

 Joseph Smith abt 1853 Dudley Staffordshire Eng Son

 William Smith abt 1851 Llanelly Breconshire Wales Son

 Hariett Lovell abt 1806 Leicestershire England Lodger

Arclus Lovell 1847 Dudley Worcestershire Eng Lodger

  John Lovell 1851 Dudley Worcestershire Eng Lodger

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1861*Llanwonno, Glamorgan (Tents and Caravans)

William Riley abt 1791 Ireland Head Llanwonno, Glam

Peana Riley abt 1831 Ireland Wife Llanwonno, Glam

Caraline Riley abt 1845 Llanwonno Glam, Wales Dau

Elafeer Riley 1854 Eglwysiland Glam Wales Daughter

Samson Riley abt 1843 Merthyr Glamorgan Wales Son

 Selina Riley 1849 Pontypool Mon Wales Daughter

 Shandras Riley 1851 Abedare Glam Dau

John Riley 4 son

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 Delfas Lovell abt 1854 Pontypool Son

 Elizabeth Lyvel abt 1815 United States Wife

  Lewis Lyvel abt 1841 Gloucestershire Son

Lorana Lyvel abt 1842 Gloucestershire Daughter

 Mary Lyvel abt 1857 Neath Glamorgan Daughter

 Sarah Lyvel abt 1851 Llanwonno Glamorgan Daughter

 William Lyvel abt 1812 Burminhan, N K Head

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Esecia Lyvel (Lovell) abt 1831 Staffordshire Head

 Heden Lyvel abt 1851 Swansea Glamorgan Daughter

 Henry Lyvel abt 1860 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Son

 Jane Lyvel abt 1855 Penfro Pembrokeshire Daughter

 John Lyvel abt 1847 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Son

 Llewellyn Lyvel abt 1852 Llanfabon, Glamorgan Son

  Sefia Lyvel abt 1832 Ireland Wife

 Sellirina Lyvel abt 1846 Blackwood Monmouthshire Dau

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James Potton abt 1798 Sheplin, Sussex Head

 Jane Potton abt 1799 Sheplin, Sussex Wife

 Sarah Potton abt 1843 Sheplin Sussex Daughter

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1861*Town: Hirwain County/Glamorgan

Thomas Boswell 70 head b Lonany, Berkshire grinder

Amberess Boswell 64 wife b Warwickshir

Francis Boswell 30 son b Linkonshire basket/maker

Unoithy Boswell 24 dau b Worcestershire

Jeremiah Boswell 22 son b Shropshire basket/maker

Spizeyna Boswell 20 dau b Shropshire

Elizah Boswell 16 son b Glamorgan basket/maker

Heraind Boswell 15 son b Glamorgan

E Fsevix Boswell 13 b Monmouthshire g/son

Lewis Lovill 21 b boarder b boarde

Debranina Lovill 15 boarder b Monmouthshire, Wales

Albert Loveill 7 brother b Flintshire, Wales

Charity Lock 5 boarder bCarmarthenshire, Wales

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 1871*Trevethin, Monmouthshire

 William Lovell b 1845 Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Head

Sulyhana Lovell b 1844 Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wife

 Henry Lovell abt 1861 Trevethin, Monmouthshire Son

Ann Lovell abt 1864 Trevethin, MonmouthshireDaughter

 John Lovell abt 1866 Trevethin, Monmouthshire Son

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